Robin Miller has the story here. Totally not a fan of this design. For much more visit the Delta Wing site HERE. (Props to commenter Travis R for the link.) This photo Tweeted from the unveiling by Panther Racing:
And this one from Curty Cavin:
Delta Wing's News Release:
- Radical DeltaWing IndyCar Concept delivers 235 mph laps with half the power and fuel consumption, answering the call for high performance with efficiency and sustainability
- New design showcases the latest American technology, incorporating future trends in materials, computer modeling, manufacturing techniques, occupant safety, fuels and powertrains
CHICAGO, Illinois (February 10, 2010)
DeltaWing LLC, of Indianapolis, introduced the future of open wheel racing today at the Chicago Auto Show, aimed at realigning America’s premiere racing tradition with current automobile industry and consumer trends. DeltaWing calls on technological innovation to return racing to cutting edge relevance in the search for extreme performance with less environmental and financial resources.
“Today marks a fundamental shift in how race fans and the general public will view all racing cars in the future; this is a game changer” said Dan Partel, Chief Executive Officer of DeltaWing LLC. “This radical prototype takes open wheel racing to a new level from both an engineering standpoint and the overall spectator experience.”
The car also marks the next step in the industry’s dedication to becoming more environmentally responsible. DeltaWing has identified that this marketplace trend can be applied to the IZOD IndyCar Series and has developed this concept car using the most advanced American technology.
By targeting reduced aerodynamic drag and lighter weight, the DeltaWing design achieves record breaking on track performance with only half the engine power of its recent predecessors. The unique vehicle design provides optimum and consistent distribution of loading for the Firestone Firehawk tires, which are specifically developed for the dynamic characteristics of the DeltaWing racer. The futuristic form aims to appeal to a younger demographic audience who is increasingly in search of technological innovations to solve the requirement for sustainable personal mobility. DeltaWing LLC will design, engineer and supply a running prototype by August, 2010.
Revolutionary design from every angle
- Ultra narrow front track design saves weight, while fairings for the Firestone tires reduces aerodynamic drag and prevents wheel interlocking
- Delta plan view shape provides undisturbed airflow to the downforce generating ground effect underbody venturi located beneath the car’s center of gravity just ahead of the widely spaced rear wheels. Highly efficient downforce with negligible wake ensures minimal loss of aerodynamic performance for a trailing car thus enhancing the on-track overtaking spectacle
- Uncluttered side view with rearwards driver location provides ideal sponsorship positioning and true single-seater appeal. The highly prominent tail fin replaces the conventional inverted aerofoil in order to broaden the yaw stability envelope without inducing aerodynamic drag on straight-aways
“We are confident that this car will outperform the current generation IndyCar and do it in a more environmentally friendly way,” said Partel. “Auto racing has always been a powerful marketing tool for propelling new technology into the hearts and minds of consumers. This new car was specifically designed to be more closely aligned with the new reality of automobiles that are arriving on the road today. Consumers are choosing cars that provide impressive performance capabilities but with greater fuel efficiency. This prototype IndyCar features those same characteristics, making it much more relevant to the public and the auto industry. It is our goal to make participation in the series highly attractive to the automobile manufacturers as well as the fuel, technology, information and entertainment corporate sectors.”
DeltaWing anticipates the final car will weigh a remarkable 50 percent less than the current generation IndyCar and crucially, generate only half of the aerodynamic drag. This combination requires substantially less horsepower to generate speeds of over 235 miles per hour while delivering a 100% improvement in fuel efficiency.
“Our goal is to have our first prototype on the track in August,” said Partel. “We look forward to an exciting development project with the Indy Racing League to ensure that all of their requirements are met for DeltaWing to become the next IZOD IndyCar in 2012.”
“Today, we saw the future of racing unveiled”, said Bill Lafontaine, Chief Marketing Officer. “This revolutionary car and business concept ushers in a new era in racing and reinforces the strong tradition of innovation in open wheel racing. This initiative reaffirms America’s ability to lead in the automotive field. We look forward to the development of the car and our first running prototype.” About the DeltaWing IndyCar Prototype
Initial concept work by Ben Bowlby started with a clean sheet approach and began in January, 2009 at Target Chip Ganassi Racing in Indianapolis. The first prototype car will be powered by a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder turbocharged engine. Final horsepower figures will be based on the car’s performance on the track, but by using state-of-the-art computer modeling, it is anticipated that the engine will need to produce approximately 300 horsepower to attain the performance targets and will run over 4,000 miles before requiring a rebuild, a dramatic 100% improvement over the current engine.
“The DeltaWing Concept is more than just a new and exciting racing car; it is about creating a platform that moves racing into the new era of information entertainment”, said Bowlby, Designer and Chief Technology Officer. “Once we have successfully production engineered and manufactured the first generation of team cars, those cars will form the beginning of a constant evolution formula. Our intention is to publish the entire design detail via the DeltaWing website where access will be available to everyone and so provide a unique participation opportunity and insight into the engineering world of modern racing cars. Just as we hope to see multiple engine suppliers with different configurations and displacements, we also hope to create a framework that will allow us to see a varied and ever changing grid of racing machines in a sustainable, cost controlled and high value manner. We will be unveiling these plans once the prototype is up and running. As we design the DeltaWing prototype, safety, efficiency, value and cost are our main priorities; the goal is that more teams and drivers will have the opportunity to compete in the IZOD IndyCar series. At this point we anticipate a complete car with engine will sell for $600,000.” Key Specifications (estimated)
- Weight with driver: 1,030 lbs.
- Horsepower: 300 BHP
- Wheel base: 125 inches
- Front track: 24 inches
- Rear track: 70 inches
- Aerodynamic drag: Cd 0.24
Key Technical features
- Engine and transmission are “non-stressed members” of the chassis structural design which allows teams to install a wide variety of lightweight powertrains
- The prototype will feature a 4 cylinder turbo charged engine that will produce approximately 300 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and weigh only 160lbs fully dressed
- Engine capacity, RPM and configuration freedoms are anticipated given only that the rate of fuel delivery to the engine will be controlled by a specially developed fuel flow rate control unit
- Vehicle weight distribution is necessarily more rearward than traditionally seen with 72.5% of the mass on the larger rear tires
- 80% of the aerodynamic downforce acts on the rear of the car
- Inline traction under acceleration through the rear tires is greatly enhanced by rearward weight and aerodynamic distributions
- Unique amongst today’s racing cars 60% of braking force is generated behind the center of gravity giving a dynamically stable response
- Locking propensity of the inside front wheel on corner entry is greatly reduced
- Transmission features 6 speed oval and 5 speed plus reverse road track configurations with sequential paddle shift actuation
- Differential features full torque vectoring active technology with driver control of gain for balance adjustment. “Active stagger” removes the expensive necessity for staggered rear tire diameters for ovals
- Advanced computer modeling of structures, impact energy management, aerodynamics, vehicle dynamics and tires has been used to develop the virtual DeltaWing car
- The car’s performance has been simulated on each configuration of race track encountered during the IZOD IndyCar Series Championship
- Modern advanced materials and CNC construction techniques applied to achieve gains in light weight structures and occupant safety
- Driver position, restraint layout and energy absorbency facility designed with the latest data on survival criteria
Visit www.deltawingracing.com for additional information and to follow progress on the design and development of the concept
For much more visit the Delta Wing site HERE.
p dog what is wrong with u. this is soo incrediable open your mind
Posted by: styxrogan | February 10, 2010 at 01:00 PM
Interesting...
Posted by: Leigh O'Gorman | February 10, 2010 at 01:02 PM
disapointing
Posted by: Dylan | February 10, 2010 at 01:05 PM
Wow..That thing is UGLY. It resembles nothing to an open wheel car. (Not that it is supposed too) It looks like the batmobile from Tim Burton's versions. Robin Miller says it grows on you. HOW? I read speed's interview with Bowlby and I understand the technical aspect of making the racing better. But this is like replacing the tradional baseball bat used in baseball with a titanium alloy co2 cannon to shoot that ball farther than using the bat.
Posted by: Brad | February 10, 2010 at 01:05 PM
As Mom would say "Well, that's... interesting"
They said it would be radical, and Cavin definitely was right when he said it looked like the LSR car.
Sure ain't a DP-01, which (as we all know) is the gold standard in Open Wheel design. :-)
Posted by: Tom G. | February 10, 2010 at 01:06 PM
ugh
THAT is not an open-wheel car; keep it the heck away from Indy and Long Beach
back to Swift and Dallara...
Posted by: gnome | February 10, 2010 at 01:07 PM
Does have a Tim Burton Batmobile look (but better as I hated that late 80s BM)... & much better than the ultra lame Dallara concepts.
However, I like the SWIFT concepts much better. Anyone know how legit the Swift design is???
Posted by: AZZO45 | February 10, 2010 at 01:09 PM
I admit I don't like the way the car looks. However-and I'm willing to say this-I'm not a mechanical engineer, just like most of the posters a plebian fan. If it is proven to work the best, then I will accept it. But outwardly, I don't like it at all.
Posted by: Edward | February 10, 2010 at 01:11 PM
Dear GOD,
Please. Please. Please. Let Lola, and Dallara win the contracts.
With all Respect,
A Soldier in Iraq.
Posted by: Boilerrx | February 10, 2010 at 01:18 PM
Look's like a 230 mph enema..!!!!!!
Posted by: Mark Lamb | February 10, 2010 at 01:18 PM
PS - I'll take that Scotch now.
Posted by: Tom G. | February 10, 2010 at 01:18 PM
Tom G, WE DON'T ALL KNOW that the DP-01 is the gold standard in open wheel racing car design. Why do you say that it is?
Posted by: Edward | February 10, 2010 at 01:19 PM
I feel so conflicted. Half of me loves it, half hates it. Then throw in Swifts option 32/33, which I love, and I have no clue
Posted by: Dylan | February 10, 2010 at 01:30 PM
Dear Roger Penske,
END CHIPS REIGN OF MADNESS! DWING MUST BE STOPPED.
Very Respectfully,
A Soldier in Iraq
Posted by: Boilerrx | February 10, 2010 at 01:30 PM
I understand the prevailing opinion is strongly against this car, and I admit it didn't immediately pull me in, but I also don't hate it as much as I did yesterday.
1.) If Bowlby's claims are true, the actual racing product could be fantastic, not just good.
2.) This was not designed by kids on Ritalin, but by a proven race car designer. I suspect most of his claims are legitimate.
3.) There is really only one major problem for me - the front wheels. Unfortunately, I think they're also a big reason why this thing could be so racy.
4.) This isn't the Miss America pageant. It's racing. If this thing can get to the checkered flag ahead of other cars, then it SHOULD win a big trophy, no matter what it looks like. Because that is, in the end, what racing is about. If it wins, then it's beautiful.
Posted by: Fred Hurley | February 10, 2010 at 01:36 PM
My thoughts are usually this on "concept" cars. They are fun to imagine (maybe), but in reality, when it comes to production and cost, developers/owners will meet at some weird point in the middle.
I've been to the Chicago Auto show more times than I can remember and usually one, MAYBE two ideas/features of a concept car make it to production.
However, when it's a competition, this to me is a loser in the battle that's going on. Too radical too soon.
Posted by: twitter.com/duey23 | February 10, 2010 at 01:39 PM
I just can't picture a bunch of these racing side-by-side on a road course or street circuit.
It's interesting, but a little bit too over the top for me. George Barris?
Posted by: Travis R | February 10, 2010 at 01:41 PM
I think it's terribly ugly. I vote for Swift's more normal looking concept.
I'm not chassis designer, but I bet that thing would be terribly slow on a road course. And I'd **much** rather have road courses than this novelty.
Posted by: thecarlos | February 10, 2010 at 01:44 PM
I appreciate your thoughts, Fred. Sincerely. But seeings as this is a business, not an academic exercise, you have to have racing that people want to watch. A lot of Kart races are fantastic, incredible competition, etc. etc., but they don't appeal to enough fans to make it work on a business level. If you put fugly cars on the track and the racing is INSANELY AWESOME, nobody will watch and you will go broke -- but the racing will be great.
Posted by: pressdog | February 10, 2010 at 01:45 PM
Atway P'dog KEEP IT COMING...
Posted by: Boilerrx | February 10, 2010 at 01:50 PM
For some reason, I'm not even remotely scared of this machine. In fact I want to take it to Indy and see if I can make it through turn one. The data provided on Delta's site is very interesting, they say this thing could do 270mph on Indy's front stretch with only 500hp. While it is certainly not anything we've every seen before, I wanna see the testing prototype run before I make a decision, Heck who knows, the future could very well be...now.
Posted by: Drayton Sawyer | February 10, 2010 at 02:03 PM
How in the world are you supposed to load that right front wheel in a turn? This thing will turn over just like a tricycle. Are we sure this whole Delta Wing kerfuffel was not some kind of "Agent provocateur" ploy from Dallara and Swift?
Posted by: Chris Lukens | February 10, 2010 at 02:03 PM
I don't understand how it's going to work. Nearly 75% of the weight of the car and 80% of the downforce on the rear wheels? And the front only has those 4 or 6" wide tires to try to get the thing to turn? And it looks like they'll hit the bodywork when they're turned past about 15 degrees? All of those numbers tell me that it's going to go directly into the first wall that it sees.
Either there is some very, very trick front (and rear) suspension geometry at play, or Bowlby knows some extra special engineering that one only learns when given prolonged exposure to carbon fiber epoxy, or we're all looking at a very elaborate hoax.
Well, on second thought, I'm not going to pretend to know everything, as I can't even watch the Youtube sim videos right now. I've got an open mind, but I'm going to take a LOT of convincing.
Posted by: The Speedgeek | February 10, 2010 at 02:04 PM
I think we're also all missing the biggest gem hidden in the Bowlby interview.
He talked about laps in the 235 mph range.
That is perilously close to (say it with me), "a newwww track recorrrrd."
Posted by: Fred Hurley | February 10, 2010 at 02:14 PM
At first I though "ewwwww..."
But the more I read the article, the more I thought "this could be one of the greatest evolutions in motor racing in the last 40 years.
Suddenly it feels that moment in the late 50's when rear-engined cars began to turn up and when a decade later aerodynamics started to emerge.
Some of the "traditionalists" of those days also complained that it didn't look like a racing car, but very quickly perceptions were changed when it became successful and more widely used.
I still need some convincing, but before I make any solid assumptions, I want to see how the car works.
Posted by: Leigh O'Gorman | February 10, 2010 at 02:20 PM
I understand that it is easy to recoil at a completely new look, but I can’t imagine myself ever feeling anything but disgust for this design. It doesn’t even break new aesthetic ground; instead, it looks like a Bonneville Salt Flats racer.
I have no doubt that as an engineering exercise, this design has some positive aspects. However, automobile racing remains a spectator sport. I can’t bear to even watch the simulation videos of this thing. Racing is about more than creating a machine that moves as quickly and efficiently as possible; racing and racing cars should be beautiful. The field of 33 rolling down the backstretch at Indy is beautiful to behold, and guests to the 500 that have no connection to cars or sports still manage to be impressed by the beauty and power of the spectacle.
I love the Swift concepts and could tolerate any of the Dallara concepts. However, if IndyCar chooses to pursue this particular option, this 25-year old car and IndyCar fan will become a F1 fan.
I'm not afraid of changing the IndyCar formula (indeed, I welcome it). This, however, is a radical change for radical change's sake. It is the wrong decision.
I know exactly how a turbocharger works and the basic concepts behind undertray downforce, but if Mr. Bowlby thinks that's why I watch IndyCar or any form of racing, he is gravely mistaken.
Posted by: NE Vista | February 10, 2010 at 02:32 PM
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!
Posted by: Boilerrx | February 10, 2010 at 02:35 PM
I'm wondering two things ...
1) Maybe that rear upright fin will eventually have a "rudder" incorporated in it (like an airplane tail) to help turn the car
2) Maybe this is an exercise that is never meant to run ... it is the "excuse" the owner's will use to split from the IRL when the DeltaWing is rejected.
I'm hoping I'm wrong on #2, but I'm getting a bad feeling ...
Posted by: Steve Barnes | February 10, 2010 at 02:48 PM
I may be (and am) in the minority but I like it. What interests me is that we need something to get lots of attention and greatly increase the racing. So while it may look odd I will wait to see what it looks like on the track.
Posted by: Steve C | February 10, 2010 at 02:58 PM
I'm stunned. When they said it would like the "Spirit Of America" salt flats car, I didn't realize they meant that literally. While I'm certainly in agreement with their stated goals, and I realize they know a whole lot more about what they're doing than me, I just can't imagine a whole pack of those vehicles making it through turn one at Indy or Long Beach. It looks like the unholy coupling of ALMS car and an F-16. I'm going to take a nap.
Posted by: redd | February 10, 2010 at 03:13 PM
If you put the same engine in all the proposed designs from lola, swift, dallara, delta wing I suspect the delta wing would win by a long way. As a former motor cycle road racer this appeals to my competitive streak. This is the reason I am coming round to liking the delta wing. It would be a very cool sight seeing ~33 of these 'flying' around the indy speedway.
Posted by: James | February 10, 2010 at 03:17 PM
It would win, or got straight into a wall. One or the other.
Posted by: Dylan | February 10, 2010 at 03:23 PM
Dylan - Wouldn't it be cool to pick the wining design by actually well um 'racing' them against each other.
Posted by: James | February 10, 2010 at 03:41 PM
@ Dylan,
It'll get around the turns by utilising the ground effects from the sides and undertray of the car.
In short, it doesn't need wings to turn, so the chances of it running into the wall may be either the same or less than the current Dallara's.
Posted by: Leigh O'Gorman | February 10, 2010 at 03:43 PM
My concern on turning is how close the tires are together. It looks like a drag racer. I'd love to race them against each other. But a car with the Hp of a street car doesn't sound super appealing, even if it reaches 230.
Posted by: Dylan | February 10, 2010 at 03:47 PM
They don't need higher HP though, that's the point.
The reality for motor-racing is that it must be seen to be doing something to help the environment, lest it face possible sanctions in years to come.
The drive for more green-relevant machinery is what drives motorsports now; not big power - this isn't the 80's anymore.
Posted by: Leigh O'Gorman | February 10, 2010 at 03:50 PM
Leigh & Dylan,
With the ground effects, I understand how it can turn at speed on an oval. The bigger question I have is how it would handle on a road or street course. Now I'm not an engineer, I just play one on TV, so I'm willing to give Bowlby the benefit of the doubt. Still, I'd like to better understand how it would race on a twisty.
Close circuit to Edward - My comment on the DP-01 was facetious. I was just teasing the folks that responded to the Dallara and Swift designs by complaining that "they're no DP-01".
Posted by: Tom G. | February 10, 2010 at 03:52 PM
I've seen the pics, I've read the specs, I've watched the video just to see if there was overtaking in this car.
I'm going to sum up my thoughts to Messers Bowlby and Ganassi with a line from the movie "Hoosiers".
"I'm trying hard to believe you know what you're doing." - Principal Cletus to Norman Dale at the first game.
Posted by: DonMedia | February 10, 2010 at 03:58 PM
Thing is Tom, I made a point on my own site the other day that this is the reason we're not designers, aerodynamacists or engineers - Bowlby can obviously see something that we can't and it may need a test at a circuit to explain it to us.
Posted by: Leigh O'Gorman | February 10, 2010 at 03:59 PM
If you want to get an idea of what 300HP can do take a look at an Ariel Atom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Atom
Posted by: James | February 10, 2010 at 04:01 PM
Cmon all!
While I don't care for the design that much either. let's look at what this car brings to the table. Some very noteworthy improvements indeed. Remember the Indycar should not look like a F1 car! It should be different and stand out.
I think combining the best elements / concepts of all the designs recently presented would be the way to go here.
DELTAWING -
The vertical tail,(Marketing) narrow ground effects design, and rear tail cone include "Active stagger" and a small non-stressed engine. and low drag.
SWIFT -
Made in America by an american company!
The exposed engine, place light, the fuel status. (easy to see on a vertical tail)
DALLARA -
The #3 Red design with narrower front tires, much smaller front wing with the forward wheel fairings.
LOLA -
The light weight
OTHERS -
Control actual BTU output. This allows all types of engines.
Onboard starters, reverse gears, real low-profile tires, bigger brakes.
A car with all these elements would be the best combination of visual appeal and racebility.
Posted by: PollyAnna | February 10, 2010 at 04:20 PM
This is great discussion, but go into the stands at KS and Chicagoland and ask the fans if they are there because of the amount of horsepower or aero properties of the cars. I'd say very few. They are there root for someone or see great racing in cars they think are cool. I think we over think why fans come to the rack or watch on the telly. My opinion is no matter how super awesome the aero is, they aren't going to watch T-bone shaped cars to around the track.
Posted by: pressdog | February 10, 2010 at 04:22 PM
I forgot to mention make the front suspension and wheel placement wider so it does not look like a Tri-cycle trying to be cool. The overall drag could be improved not like the DW but much better.
Posted by: PollyAnna | February 10, 2010 at 04:26 PM
Pressdog, What if this car puts on great racing and people in the stands at KS and Chicagoland (don't know why you chose those two tracks) think this car is cool? What if there's 100 changes for the lead at the Indy 500 in this car? Who says the current style of car is the last word in racing? This car might be the next "fire" or "wheel", we'll all have to wait and see. I'm keeping my mind open and I'll let the Delta Wing's performance decide for me.
Posted by: Drayton Sawyer | February 10, 2010 at 04:55 PM
duey23: Concept cars from Chrysler in the 90s became real cars all the time. Numerous "cab-forward" designs were launched as showcars. The 2010 Camaro maintained its concept car proportions
Another concern: The ROAD to Indy. If the DW concept became the new Indycar... would this force the USF2000, Star Mazda, & Indy Lights to redesign their chassis?
Even if I really liked the DW... I wouldn't want to see EVERY junior series adopt this look!!!
Posted by: AZZO45 | February 10, 2010 at 04:56 PM
I have to say... I TOTALLY love this design!
I wasn't sure if I was going to, but the moment I saw it I said "YES!".
Is it radical? YES - thankfully!
Change is scary, I know, but this is EXCITING!
And frankly, the ICS needs about as much change as they can get these days!
Posted by: Speedy | February 10, 2010 at 05:18 PM
Two things:
1) After doing some thinking about the front track/wheels, I think they turn in tandem, like a caster. There's no room between the wheels for classic control arms like you find on current cars, as they'd be too short to allow sufficient camber...OK, I'll limit the techno-babble. Anyway, they probably turn together, and go up and down together, controlled by a single suspension piece, a la the rear of a motorcycle. I think it sort of still is a tricycle, just with two small front tires instead of one big one.
2) I just read Cavin's article from Chicago today. Here's the key part: "Said Ganassi: 'It's a concept, not a car.'"
What we saw today doesn't have to be the be-all, end-all of this concept. If it turns out that the fans universally hate it, then it's possible that they'd widen the front track and the nose, and adjust the proportions of the rear of the car such that it'll still do what they want. I think what's most important are the core group of values they're promoting: light weight (which everybody else stole over the last two weeks), small, turbocharged engines that don't have to make 1,000,000 horsepower if you design the rest of the car correctly, and aerodynamics that will ensure good, close racing. Oh, also, fast is good. Is this concept the way we'll see it on the track? No, but it's a starting point for future discussion.
Posted by: The Speedgeek | February 10, 2010 at 05:22 PM
Put 25 American drivers in these cars, and it will work. Put 25 good American drivers in ANYTHING, market it correctly and keep it economical and fun for fans, and you have what you need.
Indy Car needs to do SOMETHING different. Is this what is needed? Hell, I don't know. I do like the closed wheels theory. We are one bad accident away at a Kansas or a Chicago or a Texas, from the END of Indy Car racing as we know it anyway. Interlocking wheels and the results from this will kill fans someday and no sport can afford to do that.
Drivers are the key. Not cars. Put 25 Milka Duno's and Mario Moraes's in these things, and we aren't going anywhere.
Posted by: Trick Dickle | February 10, 2010 at 05:30 PM
american drivers? fenders? isn't someone already doing that?
Posted by: redd | February 10, 2010 at 05:42 PM
These comments are all very awesome and respectful and I appreciate them all. I keep coming back to how I don't think anyone is going to pay $50 to $100 to watch these things race. No matter how breathtaking the racing is. Right now IndyCar's racing is better and our cars are cooler (even if you don't like the Dallara, it's cooler than the Tank of Tomorrow, right?) and we are not packing them in. Show the car to some non-IndyCar head and see what the do.
Posted by: pressdog | February 10, 2010 at 06:02 PM